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Dr. Christine Bacon: Good morning, breakfast with bacon fans. I have the distinct honor of having on my show today the honorable His Excellency, Bishop Athanasius Schneider. Many of you know him, many of you talk about him. For those of you who do not know who he is, he is the auxiliary bishop of the Archdiocese of Saint Mary in Astana, Kazakhstan. It is early in the morning here, it is late in the evening there, and he has blessed us with his presence to talk about his latest book. I am going to hold it here, Flee from Heresy. The tagline is, “A Catholic guide to ancient and modern errors.”
I know you guys probably all saw the little pink stickies in my book. I tried to take notes, but there were too many wonderful things that I wanted to say about this book. So, Your Excellency, thank you so much for coming on to my show. I really appreciate it.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: You are welcome!
Dr. Christine Bacon: And I really appreciate it. I started saying this before we went on the air, you having written this book. So I am going to say what I need to say about this book, but I want to ask first, why did you decide to write this book? Because this should be on our bookshelves, right next to the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: Well, I was asked by lay people to do this, so it was not my own initiative. I am happy that lay people, so to speak, from the flock, ask the shepherds to help them. This is a beautiful sign in our difficult time of confusion in the church, where lay people ask the shepherds, “Please give us the spiritual food, the good food. Please defend us, protect us from the poisoned food, which is a spiritually poisoned food.” These are the errors in faith, in morals, in liturgy, which are so much spread even within the church of our day.
I was really happy that I received this request from the faithful, and so I accepted it, and I am fulfilling my duty as a bishop to protect the faith of the little ones.
Dr. Christine Bacon: That is exactly what we wanted. In my heart, I want to cry right now because you gave us what we needed. I have been angry, other Catholics, other Christians, have been angry because of the crazy things happening in the world, and we do. Many of our bishops are silent, and I do not speak unkindly; I know some have the greatest of intentions. Some perhaps do not, but we are begging for the food, and so that you are one of those faithful shepherds who has taken that upon you is wonderful.
The second thing is, I get angry sometimes when I think this is new. But what you put in here, you began the very beginning of your book to say, “Alright, the” because I did read it twice, “the preface here is that you wrote it so that we could see that this is not the first time this is happening.” This has happened again and again and again in church history. You broke down every single century of the church, every single century, and every ism that has existed.
What caused you to do that? Was that also something you were hearing from many of the sheep, that we thought this was new, but this is not really new?
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: I wanted to present to the faithful that we have basically had all the errors already in the past, and in our day, the past errors are again alive and in some way resurrected. The reason is that in our time, the specific character is that we have a synthesis, the culmination of all the errors which are brought together, collected. This is the unprecedented situation of our time. In the past, specific centuries or ages were characterized by a concrete heresy. In our time, I repeat again, there is a collection, a synthesis of the most important heresies.
I also wanted to show what the basis, the foundation, or the root of all these heresies is. It is basically relativism, that is to say, that there is no constant, stable truth at all. This is the most dangerous, the denial of a constant and ever-valid truth in faith, in philosophy, in morals, in liturgy. We see this is, in our day, a manifestation of this deep error and heresy of relativism.
Dr. Christine Bacon: Just to repeat, we have had an “ism,” all of these heresies, in the first century, second century, third century, and as I go through the book, for instance, just so our listeners know, you start in the first pre-Christian era with animism, atheism, Gnosticism, hedonism, and magic, which is amazing because in there you write down and you are defining each of these, but you also say that it includes dealings with demons that are further known as witchcraft, wizardry, sorcery, and shamanism, which I think is very important because even my own daughters who went to Catholic school think that is not real. They think it does not happen. But then you proceed, as you are going into the 21st century. Oh, I should have gotten that far, but then you start writing things like Gnosticism, Freemasonry, Methodism, communism, Darwinism, and Marxism.
In each of these, and this is not for I am not saying this to His Excellency, I am saying it to you viewers, he specifically says things like of socialism, “economic and political philosophy centered on common ownership and the material welfare of society to the detriment of private property and religious life.” He writes that it was condemned by Pope Pius IX. He gives the exact sourcing, which Your Excellency is magnificent; it is what we need.
So, part of this is saying, this is wonderful that you did it, but what I heard you say is not what I was expecting. You said that right now it is actually worse than all of those times, because part of me was at peace, going, “Okay, this has happened before. God has gotten us through it. He will get us through it again,” and I know he will. But are you saying this is the worst of it, and therefore we might be coming close, close to the antichristic period? I know I am putting words in your mouth. I just want you to clarify.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: It is simply evidence we cannot deny. When you look, it is in the life of the church, in so many churchmen, in the theological faculties, in the seminaries, and in the monasteries. They are continuously spreading errors, continuously doubting, and continuously using ambiguous, vague formulations. This is destroying our firmness because you will not give your life for something which is vague. You will not give your life for something which is ambiguous. You will give your life only for something that is the absolute truth. This is the Lord, he is himself the truth, the same Christ, yesterday, today, and forever.
Therefore, I tried to show that today we have this accumulation, this height of all the collections of errors. But we have to look at what the root is. As I repeat, the root is that man says, “Now I will determine what is true. I will determine what is good and evil.” This is happening in our day, even within the church, that churchmen proclaim. Let us say in morality that what was in the past considered a sin, let us say, homosexual activity or even these tendencies, do not correspond to the objective order of God the Creator. This is simply evidence. This is now within the church; many churchmen are now spreading, saying, “Oh, this is already changed. We have today to state another truth because this was only a truth which was linked to a specific historical time, and now we have another historical time, and this is no longer valid.” This is only an example.
Christ is the only way to salvation. There is no other religion that can bring people to salvation. This is the core of the Gospel of the divine revelation. For many decades in the church, we have heard there are different ways to God, to salvation. The other religions are simply, in some way, parallel. You see, with these statements and teachings, they are completely destroying the basis, the core of the Gospel. The first commandment is “Only one God,” and it is only “One savior, Jesus Christ.” These are only two examples that I gave you, or I can even add another. Let us say the female ordination, the claim for it is spreading now in some circles in the church. Evermore they say, “Well, the church for almost 2000 years did not consider possible the female ordination, and now the time has changed. We are living in another time. We have to promote women in society, in the church. Therefore, they can, they say, recently introduce the female ordinations.”
This is the same principle of relativism because they link all these truths only to a specific historical time. Saying that was only human thinking, not divine. The prohibition of female ordinations, or the prohibition of homosexual activity, or the lawfulness of other religions. They say this is not the divine truth. This is simple human thinking and not divine. There is no divine revelation because all that we read, they say, in the Gospel is simply a human reflection, a human thinking influenced by that time. By this, these churchmen, even Catholic bishops, even some cardinals, are destroying the faith itself and abandoning the truth itself.
Therefore, we have to know our faith very good, what the church always taught. To read the good catechisms, the old ones, especially the Baltimore Catechism and other good catechisms which are sure and crystal clear, the good, crystal clear encyclicals of the Popes, which we know. You have to be sure of your faith and say, “For this faith, this is a divine faith.” The great St. Teresa of Avila said, “I will give my life for every, even a small, truth of the Catholic faith.” We have this, the grace of God, to be ready to give witness to our faith.
Dr. Christine Bacon: Wow, thank you. You are right. I am not saying this because I want to flatter you in any way, but I have read the Catechism, obviously not every single word, but many, many chapters. When I read how you have written this, I advise everyone watching that it should be sitting right next to the Catechism because you have made it so accessible, so easy for us. Just speaking of what you were just speaking of, I marked a page. What His Excellency has done in this book, please get your copy of this book if you are looking for easy reading that is both easy and clear. This is what you have been looking for. This is the answer to your prayers, because I do not know if I can show it to you, but everything is written. It is not going to come out clearly in the form of a question in a paragraph and then an answer.
His Excellency writes a question, “What of the novel claim that our gender may not correspond to our biological sex?” and he writes this error of gender ideology or gender theory denies the reality of the two sexes and replaces it with unlimited private choice, claiming that one’s inner thoughts and feelings, or merely social and educational conditioning, constitute the gender of a true self, a kind of gnostic and ultimately satanic dualism that must be rejected. He had written about Gnosticism and dualism earlier in the book. So he answers questions like, “What of the claim that our sexual orientation may not correspond to our biological sex?” I am not going to read all of his answers, but it is in here.
Your Excellency, I like how you also divided these chapters. Let me just go into it, and I want to ask you, besides, I said the first century, second century, you have different topics, errors about God and the Trinity, errors about creation, errors about redemption, errors about the church, about grace, about religious liberty, about the sacraments. I love that because it again, it allows me to go right to where I need, and let me go to specific questions that for all of you listening, how are answered, I am sorry Your Excellency, because I know I should be asking you, but I am really happy I had some of these marked that I wanted to talk to you about. If there is a question, all of them start out with “yes or no, yes or no.” “Of these errors, can any still be found today?” “Yes, blah, blah, blah.” “Do Muslims adore the one and merciful God together with us Catholics?” “No, Catholics consciously profess blah, blah, blah.”
Was that also, and maybe it was a very conscious thing to just say yes or no, Your Excellency? Because we get so much watered-down truth, especially from the Vatican, where we are looking for very clear explanations for what is going on, and we are not getting that. Were these yeses and nos a very intentional part of the way that you wrote the Catechism, for that reason?
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: Yes, because for simple people, it is so necessary to know what the truth is. A truth cannot be “yes and no” at the same time. This is in our day, I sometimes hear from high clergy, high-ranking clergy, such a language, which is “yes, no,” or “no, yes.” This is impossible. We have to know, because our eternal salvation depends on this truth.
Therefore, if you do not accept the truth that Christ is the true God and true man, the only savior, you can be condemned by God. This is a revolt against God’s revelation. If you do not accept the commandments of God, our Lord said in the Gospel, “You will not enter into eternal life.” Therefore, we have to say no or yes. Also in our normal, ordinary life, when a physician, a doctor, when, let us say, a sick person has diabetes and is asking the doctor, “Can I eat sugar and so on?” He has to say no. He cannot say, “It depends,” because you are so sick that it would kill you if you do this. This is regarding the salvation of the body only, which is in any way mortal, but the salvation of the soul is immortal; eternal life depends on it. So we have to give the answers. Of course, there is an answer, “yes or no,” but with a small explanation only. We also have to know why it is no and why it is yes. We have to give an account of our conviction. We have to be convinced and say this is, “I did not simply accept some tale or some myth. I know this is true, and I am convinced of this.”
Dr. Christine Bacon: I will give you a specific example. There was a woman, a very, very dear friend of mine, and she was born and raised Catholic, went to Catholic school, went to Catholic mass, got married in the Catholic Church. She was married for 20 years, and her husband died. Then she was married a second time in the Catholic Church, and she divorced her husband. Recently I saw that she is going to get married again. I reached out to her and said, “Has the church determined that that second marriage of yours was valid or not?” She said, “Do you mean, ‘Did I get an annulment?'” I said, “Yes, because I saw you, I was there. You got married in a Catholic Church. You are still married to husband number two.” What this lovely soul, a woman I love dearly, said is, “I am good with God. That is no big deal anymore.” So first of all, my job is to say, “Okay, well, you are still married, and I want you in heaven.” So I had to speak truthfully, even though it was uncomfortable.
One of the things I find with many in the church is that they do not give a “yes or no” answer. Specifically, for instance, when it comes to marriage, they will say, If someone was married by a justice of the peace or married civilly, and they say, ‘Well, you need to get your marriage validated.” I will say, “Are they married or not?” My understanding is that you are not married if you got married by a justice of the peace, but many priests will say, “Well, you are married, it is just not blessed.” Your Excellency, is that watered down, or is that a “yes and a no” answer too? If you are not married in the Catholic Church as a Catholic, are you married or not? If you have gone to a justice of the peace, there is a clear determination of our faith that the validity of their marriage, to be married only civilly. Can you repeat that? You froze. Your Excellency, you froze. Can you repeat that whole answer, please?
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: So there is a clear church. Catholics are obliged to be married in church, and if not, they simply, without dispensation of the bishop, go to civil marriage. Their marriage is “ipso facto” invalid. They are not living as a husband and wife in the eyes of God. This is a very clear teaching of the Catholic Church.
Dr. Christine Bacon: That is what we need to hear more bishops and priests say, and again, thank you.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: In these cases, there is a possibility to validate this marriage or to heal it at the root. This is a canonical administrative process, but it must be done, not simply to assume that it is valid.
Dr. Christine Bacon: Thank you, and that is what I love about it. Everything is “yes or no.” Let me see some of my other markings before I let you go here. Okay, there is just so much. But what I want you viewers to know is His Excellency answers questions like, “What forms of legalized murder have become all too common in many societies?” Then he talks about abortion, euthanasia, and political vengeance, which we do not see. He also answers questions like, “In America, this is a very big deal right now, what of politicians who advocate for any form of legalized murder?” and you talk about their complicit and grave sin, “What of those who commit sins of murder while claiming good intentions?” You did not leave anything to be questioned, and everything is clear, and as I went through this, I thought to myself, “You have answered so many of the questions.” Again, I said it before, I will say it again, “that are convoluted and that do not get answered.” So I think every Catholic needs to have this book in their library.
I do not know what else I can say about the book itself, but thank you, and I wanted to ask you, because I had once heard, and I was trying to look it up this morning, but I was not able to find which bishop had said it, but there was a priest who was asked to become a bishop, and as he was getting ordained, his mother and his family members were so excited, “Yay, you get to be a bishop!” And this priest said, “Do not applaud, because now I will have to answer to God for even greater responsibilities. Pray for my soul.” When you were asked to become a bishop, what did that do in your soul? I would suspect you had similar feelings of, “To whom much is given, much will be expected,” and that it is not just some privilege of wearing a different colored cassock.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: Well, my first when I received this message, or the request to accept it, I was sad. My soul was filled with sadness, and I was feeling such a great weight coming down upon me. I felt this deep responsibility, but I accepted it as the will of God; it was, however, a very heavy cross. When a priest came to my mother to congratulate her on my appointment as a bishop, she answered the priest, “This does not matter much to me that my son became a bishop, but it is important for me that my son will always remain faithful to Jesus.” This was the answer of my mother.
Dr. Christine Bacon: I have great respect for your mother, Your Excellency.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: She always, when I found her, even as a bishop, her last words to me were, “You remain faithful to Jesus. All the rest is not important in your life.” He said that to a bishop.
Dr. Christine Bacon: She said that to the bishop, her son.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: Always, always.
Dr. Christine Bacon: Ah, your mother sounds like a holy woman.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: Yes, thanks be to God. This was a gift for me. He already passed to the other life. This is so important. We must give a very severe account. The more responsibilities you have in the church, and then the more when you are a cardinal, you have more responsibilities, your account is heavier. As you know, the story of Saint Philip Neri in Rome. He was a priest, and the Pope wanted to appoint him Cardinal, and he refused, and the Pope asked, “Why are you refusing?” and he said, “I prefer heaven.”
Dr. Christine Bacon: Okay, that is true. What would you say with that seriousness? Yeah, you were frozen a little bit. I apologize.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: Yes, so this is an example of a saint. The responsibility of a Pope is the greatest, the gravest. We have to pray, therefore, for the Pope that he may have the light of God and the strength to fulfill his task, which is to strengthen all the church in faith, strengthen in clarity, in an uncompromising attitude. We must pray and implore God that he may grant in our day holy Popes, yes.
Dr. Christine Bacon: And holy priests and holy bishops. Let me ask you a question for a young man watching right now who is considering the priesthood or has just entered the priesthood. Let us start with the ones who are considering entering the priesthood, because there are many young men who are afraid. They see the pressure on them, but then we have the laity, and we need good priests. What would you say to a young man who is considering the priesthood today with all of the craziness going on in the church, with all of the heresies going on in the world, with all of the confusion that is just being poured on us? What would you say to those young men?
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: The first important thing is the vocation. When he receives this conviction that God calls him, he must accept the vocation to fulfill the will of God. It is a privilege to be an apostle of Christ, a shepherd of souls in a very difficult time. You know, a man must have this feeling of a knight, of a father, of a soldier to defend his beloved family or his beloved people. God gave to the male, I mean, to the man, to be a defender, to be a fighter. When you are in a difficult time, dear seminarians, it is a privilege to be in a difficult time, a good priest of Christ, an apostle. Consider this as a privilege and accept this with much trust in Christ and be totally consecrated to Our Lady. She will manage this. She will protect you, a Marian priest will always have the protection of Our Lady, and his work will bear many fruits, in spite of difficulties. So be this priest with an apostolic zeal, a chaste soul, a pure priest. It is very important that you have only one ambition, to save souls, immortal souls, and to glorify God, and to be every day more like Christ, the priest.
Dr. Christine Bacon: Amen, one more question, and I am trying to be hopeful, it is just this one more question. There are priests already who are priests, and they feel they do not have the support of bishops, bishops who are not being clear, who are actually saying things that are a bit heretical, that they might say. What would you say to those priests? What should they do in terms of bringing those souls to heaven, and having to not necessarily having the direction of their bishop?
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: Do not hear these resistances and these ambiguities of your bishops. Hear and listen to the Church of All Time. This is our Holy Mother. The Church is 2000 years old, and this bishop is only a small part of the time. He is living, and he is not even more important than the entire 2000-year magisterium of the church. Listen to the Church of All Time, read the books, the good books, the church fathers, the church doctors, and be sure of your faith and do what you can to spread the integrity of the beauty of the Catholic faith, in spite of being maybe despised by your bishop or marginalized. Consider this as an honor, and love the souls. Be in some way inventive, go to the families, but always with a humble spirit. Of course, not in a sectarian way, but in a good Catholic ecclesiastic spirit, be in the structures of the church, but nevertheless, do all that you can with your inventive spirit to proclaim the Catholic faith, to teach the people to celebrate the liturgy worthily when possible.
We need to lead the traditional liturgy to transmit this treasure from the saints, which we got from the past, the liturgy of all times, to the younger generation. When you can, it depends on your situation, maybe in some discrete manner, and this is only a temporary crisis. God will again intervene, and the Catholic church, the Catholic faith, will again flourish. This is true because the church is divine, not only human, and the church is ultimately in the almighty hands of Christ, not in the hands of the Pope, not in the hands of the bishops. The Holy Church is ultimately in the hands of the Almighty Christ, and He will stand up as at that time in The Tempest in the Sea, when He was in the boat with His apostles, and a storm started, and they were fearing that the boat would sink. Christ was in the boat, though sleeping. But then they awakened him. He stood up and commanded, and the storm calmed, and this will come again in our time. We do not know when, concretely, but it will come, and we are now contributing to the extent that we can. Everyone in his place, you dear Christine, with your apostolate, the seminarians, the families, the priests. We all have the same goal, the same aim, everyone in our place, to contribute in spite of difficulties, in spite of marginalization, in spite of persecution. We will continue to contribute modestly, with all our heart, with humility, with trust, to renew the church. So we are already contributing to the coming springtime of the church.
Dr. Christine Bacon: May it be soon. I said that was my last question, but you made me think of one more in terms specifically of the priest. But of course, it applies to us laity as well. Obedience, if we are supposed to. There was a chapter in here, a question that said, “Obedience.” It led to obedience by the Pope. “Is any act of disobedience to a command of the Pope by itself schismatic?” And your answer was, “No, one is not schismatic if he resists a Pope or refuses to obey a particular teaching or command of his that is manifestly contrary to natural or divine law or that would harm or undermine the integrity of the Catholic faith or the sacredness of the liturgy. In such cases, disobedience and resistance to the Pope is permissible and sometimes obligatory.”
I think that is where a lot of confusion comes in because many of our priests are taught obedience and discerning between those two things that you said are so hard. They are hard for me, and they are hard for our priests. How, where do we continue to look for that?
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: It is a very rare situation that we are in, but it happened in church history. The first example is Saint Paul the Apostle. He refused to collaborate with Peter, the first Pope, due doing some ambiguous attitudes towards the Christians, from the Jewish Christians and from Christians from a pagan background in an entire region. Because Peter was ambiguous and double-minded, and Paul said, “It is not good, Peter, what you are doing. You are the chief of the church,” and he admonished him. The other example, Saint Athanasius in the first century, refused to obey the Pope because Pope Liberius ordered him to make peace with heretic bishops in the east. Athanasius answered the Pope, “I cannot obey you here. You are commanding me to be in canonical peace and communion with heretic bishops. This is not allowed. I cannot do it.” The Pope punished him and excommunicated Saint Athanasius.
But then the other Popes, the successor of Liberius was Damasus, again restored Saint Athanasius, and the church canonized him and proclaimed him Doctor of the church, one of the greatest defenders. So we have some cases, very rare, but there were cases, and in our time, a time we also have to face this situation. But when we disobey, we do this out of love, even for this Pope, for the Holy See. If we were to obey, we would be contributing to spreading ambiguity ever more. This is not good for the Holy Church and for the Holy See, even for the honor of the Holy See, which was always the mother of all teaching and the clear teacher of the faith. So in this case, it is only a temporal, formal disobedience, but in fact, it is an obedience to our Holy Mother Church of all times, and is an expression of our love, even for the integrity of the papal office, of the mission of the Holy See, or of the bishop or others who will command. So, in this attitude we must do, not in a revolt or in a systematic attitude or in polemics. No, with love, always with respect, but with clarity.
Dr. Christine Bacon: Love Holy Mother Church in Christ, teachings first. And if you study the church, and you study Jesus and His laws, and you believe an order is disobedient to that, as long as you can answer to God on the day you die, with because He knows your heart, if it was full of humility or pride, if you can say, “Lord, I disobeyed my priest, my bishop, my Pope, whoever, because I believed I was obeying you,” that is really how they have to gauge it. Correctly?
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: He has to say, “I obeyed the Popes of all times. I obeyed the voice of the Church of all times because the church taught continuously, unchangingly, the faith. The church transmitted the sacredness of the liturgy, unchangingly through millennia, not only through the 50 years, no more. Therefore, I am simply obeying and transmitting the treasure of faith, not my opinion.” No, “I am not a Protestant subjectivist.” No, it is the voice of the church which I am evidently reading in the catechisms, in all the voices of the Popes and the Doctors of the church and the Fathers of the Church. It is simply evident statements, not my statements. It is not my choice. And therefore, when you have to choose something that is not clear and ambiguous, I will choose the clear statement. It is logic, it is common sense. Because we have to be honest. We cannot twist and make mental acrobatics and start to interpret. It is not honest. It is not worth it for us. We also have our intellect, of course, illuminated by faith. As G. K. Chesterton, the famous writer, made such a kind of joke. He said, “A man, upon entering the Catholic Church, is asked to take off the hat, not the head.”
Dr. Christine Bacon: Take off the hat, not the head. To enter the church and become Catholic, you are not asked to switch off your mind, your intellect. Keep your brain turned on. Yes, keep your brains going. Do not stop thinking.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: But together, always the intellect with faith, illuminated with faith, with humility, with respect, with love. This is not always easy. We have to pray that we will always be faithful at the end, until the end, to our holy Catholic faith and with God’s grace until the last breath, to be Catholic, true Catholic.
Dr. Christine Bacon: Amen, amen. There are so many things I could ask His Excellency, but I want to encourage you, forgive all my pink stickies. There were so many things I wanted to ask, but this is the book every one of you needs to have in your house. It is clear. You can explain to your teenagers, to your young children, to your adult family members, to your friends. It addresses everything you can think of that is a question in our society right now. It addresses concerns with the Latin mass, it addresses concerns with abortion, and gender ideology. I cannot even think about what it does not address. Please get your copy of this. You can go to Sophia Institute.org, there will be a link in the show notes so you can get your hands on this book. It is one of those books that I think you should buy for your friends and your family members. I am not saying that because His Excellency is watching. It is because I literally ran downstairs and showed it to my husband when I got it, and said, “This is what we have been looking for,” and he agreed with me.
Your Excellency, name one thing you would have our viewers do differently as a result of something they heard today, just one instruction to go home with.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: Well, I would say, “Thank God that you have the Catholic faith. The Catholic Faith is the greatest treasure that we have here on Earth. Thank the Lord that you got this gift, and keep it, and may your love for the Catholic faith grow in you, for the beauty of the Catholic faith, and say to the Lord, ‘My Lord, strengthen me firmly in the Catholic faith and in the deepening of the love of the Catholic faith.'” This is my advice for you: be grateful to the Lord for being Catholic.
Dr. Christine Bacon: Excellent. That is some very good parting instructions. Please forward the show to your friends and family. They need to hear the words of His Excellency Bishop Athanasius Schneider. I have to always say your name slowly because it does not roll off the tongue very easily. And get this book for all your friends and family. Go and like and subscribe to Breakfast with Bacon on my Facebook, Instagram, X, as well as Rumble, and go sign up for my newsletter. There is coming a time when we are being silenced and we are being censored, and you will no longer see these videos. You will have to go directly to the websites of those men and women whom you trust. Your Excellency, if people wish to. I know that you probably cannot take emails from people around the world, but if there is any way they can contact your office or look to you, should they just look for your videos or read your books? Or is there any way people can or should get a hold of you?
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: I have a website, which is Gloriadei.io, and there are many videos, many articles people can read there, for example. Excellent. And that is also in the show notes. I do suggest you follow His Excellency, because he has always, always given us clarity, but he does have a time limit, and so we do need to go off the air. Again, thank you for watching Breakfast with Bacon. I am Dr. Christine Bacon. You have been watching Breakfast with Bacon, and I would like to remind you always to live your life sunny side up.